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Post by Apeonaught on Dec 19, 2004 23:10:08 GMT
Kinda lame poll but still would be interesting to know...
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Post by akibal on Dec 20, 2004 6:39:56 GMT
I wish I was a DJ.
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Post by shivo on Dec 20, 2004 9:14:34 GMT
i have a pair of 1210s for over 2 years, i've done a couple of gigs, but because i've spent so much time away from them traveling, i've never get the chance to practive properly and get into things properly, hopefully next ill see a bit of action, if i stay at home, which wont happen
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Post by Funkjazztical on Dec 20, 2004 12:34:18 GMT
Don't Diss Me! I have a pair of Denon DN-S3000's (CD decks), which look AND sound immense with a Stanton SA-5 mixer. Because I had such a massive collection of CDs' in the first place I didn't think there was much point in getting together a vinyl collection for the sake of being a purist.
I have to say that compared to the Pioneer CD decks, the Denons piss all over them. Anyone else got CD decks, or for that matter, had a bash on any? The new Technics ones are crap too, the scratch function is terrible - really 'digital blippy' sound.
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Post by dextrous77 on Dec 20, 2004 12:45:12 GMT
If the Denons piss all over the Pioneers, how come I haven't seen a single pro using them?
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Post by Funkjazztical on Dec 20, 2004 13:45:11 GMT
Fair question.
OK, to make a (somewhat loose) comparison, I am a film editor/ cameraman by trade and the editing program EVERYONE 'Pro' uses as 'industry standard' is Avid. Due to the media industry being very pretentious and up its' own arse, there are editors and certain organisations/ companies - such as the BBC who will not be budged on it and continue to lick Avids arse.
I have edited on Avid a fair few times, as well as various other programs. While it is a solid platform it doesn't offer half as much as some of the other 'non industry standard' (supposedly not worth bothering with edit systems).
What I am trying to say is that just because Pioneer is 'the industry standard', doesn't necessarily mean it is the best. It just means that yeah, it's a safe bet to use and fair enough they're decent decks.
But if you were to compare, they don't offer as much as the DN S-3000s do.
If I hadn't researched and had a thorough play with both decks, I probably would have gone with the Pioneers. But seeing as I did and now own a pair of Denons, I'd say that my research paid off!
D-D-D-D-Don't Diss Me! Cos' I could take your girl if I wanted to...!
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Post by dextrous77 on Dec 20, 2004 15:57:50 GMT
Fair enough.
Another comparison - I bought my first set of direct drives in 99 or 2000, just when the vestax pdx2000 was coming out. They were supposed to be the next big thing with ultra pitch, faster torque and even a 'revolutionary' STRAIGHT tone arm.
The fact that they looked like they were made by fisher-price put me off and I got Technics. The Technics have never broken down, whereas my friends with Vestax pdx2000s have often had problems with components breaking etc. i.e. too much plastic.
As for the 'revolutionary' tone arm; the recently released mark two of the pdx2000s have gone for something called a 'revolutionary' "J" tone arm i.e. the same as the old Technics one.
My point being that newer is not necessarily better.
Also if you pay 700 for a pioneer with 5 features and pay 700 for a denon with 10 features, then which has the better quality components? You get what you pay for.
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Post by Funkjazztical on Dec 20, 2004 17:18:13 GMT
Duder! Denon are renowned for high quality components! Here's a breakdown and THIS is why the Denons 'piss' on the Pioneers....(not getting into any kind of argument, it's just that I want you to realise the true greatness of these wonderful machines). If you can tell me reasons why the Denons aren't as good, backed up by proper thought out evidence - I will take it on board. However, you stated that the Denons didn't have as high a quality component (!?) Where did you get that information from? Anyways, this'll make yo' neck crane... Pioneer CDJ800 Advantages over the S3000: Quick Return Auto Beat Loop Visual Marker Display Auto BPM Counter Denon DJ DN-S3000 Advantages over the CDJ800: Active Spinning Platter Design for true TT emulation Platter Static Mode (you can use the Denon’s just like the Pio’s WITHOUT the platter spinning) Full MP3 Playback (CBR or VBR) MP3 File Search System (search by Artist, Name, Title or Folders) CD Effects: DUMP (Reverse, Drag Start, Brake Pio also has) Scratch Mode (you can scratch either the Live CD or the stored Sampler) 15 Second on-board sampler with LIVE A-B trim points Sampler overlay while the CD is playing Sampler: Stutter, Looping, Pitch Control, Volume Control & Reverse Play Next Track Reserve, allows you to pick another track while one is playing and you can also “slam-mix” to it seamlessly. Free Upgradeable Software via the web (none available at this time) User replaceable Slot-In drive for zero downtime Customizable Slipmat Designs ( add your DJ name or favorite picture underneath the clear scratch disc) Option to use a real 7” record for true vinyl feel X-Effect (allows you to share internal Cue point/loop memory with another machine, S3/S5) Pitch Range: 4%, 16%, 24%, 50% 3-Way Pitch Bend .02% Pitch increments at 4% pitch range CD Text MP3 Artist, Title, Album Folder Display CONCLUSIVE ENOUGH!!!
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Post by dextrous77 on Dec 20, 2004 17:58:05 GMT
Um..........cool. I was talking about the CDJ1000s.
And anyway, I didn't say that the Denons don't have high quality components, I'm just saying that you get what you pay for.
Another example required: I was looking for a good battle mixer about a year ago. It was in the balance between the Stanton (I'm not dissing Stanton) SA-12 and the Ecler HAK360. I was looking at paying 500 for each. Both had similar features apart from the Stanton had a built-in FX unit. Pretty cool I thought, until I actually thought about it. How come they're the same price but one has all this other stuff on it. If I were to buy it seperately i.e. a great mixer and great FX unit, then it would cost an extra 200. The discrepancy is in the quality of the extras your getting. If Stanton put this 50 quid FX unit in their mixer and still charging 500, then the Ecler must have better basic components.
That's my logic anyway. Even if it doesn't make sense to y'all, I intend to keep on buying equipment with this mantra - quality over quantity.
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Post by Bullitproof on Dec 22, 2004 9:15:00 GMT
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Post by Funkjazztical on Dec 23, 2004 15:38:44 GMT
I agree man. That is a NICE set up!
I don't profess to be the worlds greatest DJ, but the equipment does help...
Right. I HAVE to go Christmas shopping NOW!!! Damnit.
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Post by Kee on Dec 26, 2004 16:17:57 GMT
Have decks Numarks, but started collecting records when i was 16 and playing them on my Mum and Dad's all-in-one hi-fi system which had a deck on top,
so getting a decks was a thing that i was eventually gonna get
but i am more of a music collector than a DJ
* only dilemma is for buying artist albums whether to get on cd or 12" or both - lot of money ~ either way!
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