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Post by stussi on Jan 15, 2019 15:36:24 GMT
AMAZING!!!!!
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Post by kocomputer on Jan 15, 2019 15:51:42 GMT
Really happy to see that update. Im maybe in the minority who always saw the kickstarter as a request to help fund the exhibition and the PF re-issue was a nice bonus of something that was supposed to be happening anyway (but then hit problems).
So an ANNOUNCEMENT is scheduled for May... And mentions it'll be a 21st Anniversary celebration. Thus don't expect to see it until at least August then.
Nice to confirm the kickstarter edition will be a unique version tho.
My only complaint is that updates like this every couple of months would have saved him from a LOT of the negativity. But we've long established that James dislikes direct engagement, and doesn't seem the best at choosing PR teams to work with.
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Post by Timo Fett on Jan 15, 2019 16:06:40 GMT
Im maybe in the minority who always saw the kickstarter as a request to help fund the exhibition and the PF re-issue was a nice bonus of something that was supposed to be happening anyway (but then hit problems). I agree. The reissue was never meant to be the main thing, just an incentive to help fund the exhibition. It just wasn't a very well thought through incentive. A nice idea that became a major headache. If there were legal issues about rights, clearing samples etc, they may not have been allowed to give updates. Things can get pretty silly when lawyers get involved. Or there were probably times where they were just sitting and waiting for responses (which could have potentially killed the project), and not able to do anything in the meantime.
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Post by kocomputer on Jan 15, 2019 16:29:00 GMT
V.True. I imagine the whole saga has been a massive ballache for him from the very start.
It's not like he ever stood to make ANY money from a re-issue. Sales will be miniscule, and we all know the history of him not owning any % of publishing, and he sold any rights he did own as one of the main assets of MoWax.
Think its purely a 'therapy' project to clear the vaults on his part. Serious kudos to the guy for sticking with it - sure he could have bailed with a 'contractual-obligation' edition just with different colour artwork. Must have been v.tempting at times.
From the way the album was made, frankly I didn't think there would be many offcuts (beyond what's crept out over the years - War Is Hell etc).
I'm still stupidly optimistic there'll be some nice surprises which make it worth the wait.
In some ways I kinda almost don't want to see the tracklist until it drops through the door.
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Post by Mo'Matt on Jan 15, 2019 16:54:45 GMT
True, this is a lot of effort to make more money for Shadow!
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Post by Kee on Jan 15, 2019 19:19:27 GMT
Damn this is good news, I always believed it would happen just it was slow on the information front.
If you need to check what address you gave when you pledged you can/view amend by
Click on View Pledge Go to survey (heading at the top) Click change survey response with new address
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Post by zman on Jan 15, 2019 20:03:48 GMT
I'll only believe it once it's in my hand...
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Post by evil:cat on Jan 15, 2019 20:29:18 GMT
It's not like he ever stood to make ANY money from a re-issue. Sales will be miniscule, and we all know the history of him not owning any % of publishing, and he sold any rights he did own as one of the main assets of MoWax. Think its purely a 'therapy' project to clear the vaults on his part. Hmmm, I wonder. This is a 'Director's Cut', right? The version he always wanted to make? Then it's a different record, and JL may have made a point of getting some items on there that ensure this version gets him some percentage. As an example - Bloodstain gets replaced with the remixed version they did a few years back. How much of the production is still Shadow's? If the arrangement is different, he can get a credit for writing the arrangement. If the production is all new, he can be credited for the production. This excludes any rediscovered or new tracks (e.g. taking an old demo and finishing it in 2018) where I'm pretty sure he'll grab as much credit as he possibly can. Think of it like this - we get the Director's Cut, which becomes the default version of PF on any platform that matters (Spotify, Tidal, iTunes, Apple Music, Qobuz, whatever), and the original becomes a 'bonus' version. Like when Lucas made the Laserdisc versions of the Original Trilogy into DVD bonus features on the DVDs of the Director's Cut. That way, having completely re-edited the film, his ex wife didn't get any money from the Special Editions, and bonus features are not handled like main contents, so she got no cash from her original work. From 1997 onwards, she got no money for her work. I doubt James would be quite so vindictive, but if he could tip the scales a little so it's no longer Shadow and contributors, but some of the new (and original) Unkle folks, I'm sure he would. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fair enough to do so, James deserved something for what he put into the project, even if it was just a salary. Worst case scenario: James rerecords all the vocals himself on the Director's Cut so he gets a performance credit.
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Post by joethelion on Jan 15, 2019 22:19:25 GMT
or - he could incorporate "Breather" in every single track.
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Post by Bester on Jan 15, 2019 23:00:01 GMT
It's not like he ever stood to make ANY money from a re-issue. Sales will be miniscule, and we all know the history of him not owning any % of publishing, and he sold any rights he did own as one of the main assets of MoWax. Think its purely a 'therapy' project to clear the vaults on his part. Hmmm, I wonder. This is a 'Director's Cut', right? The version he always wanted to make? Then it's a different record, and JL may have made a point of getting some items on there that ensure this version gets him some percentage. As an example - Bloodstain gets replaced with the remixed version they did a few years back. How much of the production is still Shadow's? If the arrangement is different, he can get a credit for writing the arrangement. If the production is all new, he can be credited for the production. This excludes any rediscovered or new tracks (e.g. taking an old demo and finishing it in 2018) where I'm pretty sure he'll grab as much credit as he possibly can. Think of it like this - we get the Director's Cut, which becomes the default version of PF on any platform that matters (Spotify, Tidal, iTunes, Apple Music, Qobuz, whatever), and the original becomes a 'bonus' version. Like when Lucas made the Laserdisc versions of the Original Trilogy into DVD bonus features on the DVDs of the Director's Cut. That way, having completely re-edited the film, his ex wife didn't get any money from the Special Editions, and bonus features are not handled like main contents, so she got no cash from her original work. From 1997 onwards, she got no money for her work. I doubt James would be quite so vindictive, but if he could tip the scales a little so it's no longer Shadow and contributors, but some of the new (and original) Unkle folks, I'm sure he would. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fair enough to do so, James deserved something for what he put into the project, even if it was just a salary. Worst case scenario: James rerecords all the vocals himself on the Director's Cut so he gets a performance credit. *Shudder*
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Post by Mo'Matt on Jan 16, 2019 9:41:36 GMT
Think of it like this - we get the Director's Cut, which becomes the default version of PF on any platform that matters (Spotify, Tidal, iTunes, Apple Music, Qobuz, whatever), and the original becomes a 'bonus' version. Like when Lucas made the Laserdisc versions of the Original Trilogy into DVD bonus features on the DVDs of the Director's Cut. That way, having completely re-edited the film, his ex wife didn't get any money from the Special Editions, and bonus features are not handled like main contents, so she got no cash from her original work. From 1997 onwards, she got no money for her work. I knew his wife pretty much saved the film with her editing, but I didn't know he removed hr work/credit. What a bastard! I doubt James would be quite so vindictive, but if he could tip the scales a little so it's no longer Shadow and contributors, but some of the new (and original) Unkle folks, I'm sure he would. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fair enough to do so, James deserved something for what he put into the project, even if it was just a salary. I wouldn't begrudge him some cash for the effort either. In a way, a totally different version of the album would be fine, I've already got enough copies of the original. But I doubt he'd do this. The extras might be more JL-oriented. As long as it sounds good I don't care.
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Post by dusted on Jan 16, 2019 13:54:24 GMT
I was just happy to receive some news!
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Post by Mo'Matt on Jan 16, 2019 16:44:14 GMT
If you need to check what address you gave when you pledged you can/view amend by Click on View Pledge Go to survey (heading at the top) Click change survey response with new address Good advice Kee, thanks! Unfortunately, both of my pledges are marked as fulfilled and so the survey is closed. I'm sure they'll get in contact for updated addresses though. A lot can happen in 6 years. Otherwise, I'll collect my CDs from my ex's Mum's house.
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Post by kocomputer on Jan 16, 2019 18:20:53 GMT
I'm in the same boat, says survey-closed so can't edit. Theyve got to ask for confirmation before shipping surely. Else the people who live in our old flat are gonna get a nice surprise.
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Post by Toptoga on Jan 16, 2019 19:55:44 GMT
And I've got the first world problem that I have literally no device left to play a CD on! What a difference 5 years makes...
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