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Post by Bester on Aug 9, 2018 18:43:00 GMT
I got the feeling Mark Radcliffe didn’t buy James. Very interesting to hear JL say that Shadow’s ego got too big... Do we believe that? To be fair, Lavelle could have meant that Shadow wasn’t interested in collaborating anymore, which I think he has said in the past.
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Post by unklefloyd on Aug 9, 2018 19:05:18 GMT
In his 33 1/3 book, Shadow did sound pretty exhausted talking about that period of going from Entroducing right into PF. He undoubtedly wanted more of the credit in crafting the vision of the project and James wanted his vision of some Massive Attack-esque project executed. E.g. James feeling like Shadow didn't have anything to do with "Be There", so why would he come back to do Top of the Pops? And Shadow probably thinking, that track is based on the track I produced, so damn right I am gonna be there. Interesting to hear James talk about if that album had just been with Tim, how it would have been different - meaning - Shadow was the star already - what would have happened if UNKLE didn't attach itself to that star and was just another artist on Mo'Wax?? Didn't seem like the label wanted that and no doubt James didn't either at the time.
Being young, having egos, seeing real money/fame etc. all played a part for both men, how could it not? Shadow is very talented, but Lavelle brought out the best in him. He has not dropped anything timeless since The Private Press. Sure his live shows are still great (still rooted in classics), but in my opinion (and I am sure many Shadow purists) he hasn't made great solo music since the end of the Mo'Wax days.
Why can't both of these guys realize they brought out the best in each other and put the past behind them. Do it for the fans if nothing else. Lord knows UNKLE fans deserve it at this point lol.
I know wishful thinking, but it just seems like a huge missed opportunity to give back to BOTH their fanbases.
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Post by bm on Aug 9, 2018 20:03:28 GMT
Even to this day I’m surprised by two things:
1) James insistence that he plays and writes on the albums. Apart from some token contributions, it’s just not true.
2) The insistance of ex-members/collaborators to not give James the credit he clearly deserves for actually piecing all this together and getting the players together. The sniffiness towards him is remarkable.
I do suspect that both points fees off each other though
Is all this new album talk bollix?
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Post by Timo Fett on Aug 9, 2018 21:06:25 GMT
In his 33 1/3 book, Shadow did sound pretty exhausted talking about that period of going from Entroducing right into PF. He undoubtedly wanted more of the credit in crafting the vision of the project and James wanted his vision of some Massive Attack-esque project executed. E.g. James feeling like Shadow didn't have anything to do with "Be There", so why would he come back to do Top of the Pops? And Shadow probably thinking, that track is based on the track I produced, so damn right I am gonna be there. Interesting to hear James talk about if that album had just been with Tim, how it would have been different - meaning - Shadow was the star already - what would have happened if UNKLE didn't attach itself to that star and was just another artist on Mo'Wax?? Didn't seem like the label wanted that and no doubt James didn't either at the time. Being young, having egos, seeing real money/fame etc. all played a part for both men, how could it not? Shadow is very talented, but Lavelle brought out the best in him. He has not dropped anything timeless since The Private Press. Sure his live shows are still great (still rooted in classics), but in my opinion (and I am sure many Shadow purists) he hasn't made great solo music since the end of the Mo'Wax days. Why can't both of these guys realize they brought out the best in each other and put the past behind them. Do it for the fans if nothing else. Lord knows UNKLE fans deserve it at this point lol. I know wishful thinking, but it just seems like a huge missed opportunity to give back to BOTH their fanbases. JL has persistently claimed that a lot of what happened was due to his age. Thinking back to how I was at the age he was peak-Mo'Wax, there's very little I'm proud of and almost everything I'd have done differently. (Ask WDMN if you must.) Shadow was only a couple of years older. And add to that the pretty much instant, mainstream fame – it's a recipe for misunderstanding, misinterpretation and bad decisions. Also, The amount of scrutiny the whole situation has been subjected to is not normal by any extent of the word. Which I'm sure we'd all agree to.
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Post by jimmyjrg on Aug 9, 2018 23:46:52 GMT
Thank you! You can tell James is torn about the documentary, but he is actively promoting it. For those of you that have seen it..what are your thoughts coming from a true fan’s perspective and not just the classic documentary “rise, fall, rise” narrative? What surprised you? Keeping in mind that I saw it 2-3 years ago now so it may have changed, but it drags near the end as it focuses on Lavelle's failures leading up to Meltdown. It really goes all out in trying to show how far he has fallen and it loses momentum because of this. There's a lot of home video footage of Lavelle's various girlfriends talking about how much they love him... and then we watch their relationships fall apart, and it really becomes gruelling watching him fail so much again and again in every aspect of his life. There's definitely an agenda to tell a specific story. Of course the whole thing's setting up Meltdown, Shadow returns to save the day and everyone's friends again. As a fan, I really enjoyed it. But I preferred the start about the 90's and MoWax because I love hearing about that era personally. I'm looking forward to all of the extras the most, and I'm still holding out that there will be talk about Tim and Kudo somewhere.
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Post by jimmyjrg on Aug 14, 2018 10:50:31 GMT
New interview with JL regarding the doco www.starburstmagazine.com/features/james-lavelle-man-mowaxHot quote: "It was finished a couple of years ago, to be honest with you. That’s the nature of films and film festivals and funding and distribution and all that stuff. It’s not my film, I didn’t direct it, I’m not producing it or financially involved in it. I just felt that there was a point where this beast is going to come out one way or another. Do you want to try and be more creatively involved and shape it with hopefully more of the right subject matter? Not shaping it in the sense of me saying what can’t be in the documentary, hence why it is what it is. For me, it’s quite difficult as it’s not a film I’d have made. But maybe that’s part of what’s interesting to other people about it." Also it seems JL feels the same as me about the film: "I like the film, I think the film has some amazing moments, I think the beginning of the film – the ‘90s stuff – is very good. The third quarter, I don’t like. That’s the Night Fall period, which I think they still didn’t get right, but it is a lot better than it was. I just think it gets a bit boring. And I think there’s a lot of stuff that’s not in there. When people talk about it being the definitive Mo’ Wax documentary, it isn’t; there are many people who aren’t in this documentary. It plays on the fact that there’s these constant broken relationships, but yet I still work with people like Trevor Jackson, Fraser Cook, Ben Drury; many people who were very involved with Mo’ Wax but who aren’t in that documentary. It’s a documentary that basically shows from the perspective of me and [DJ] Shadow, and that isn’t what Mo’ Wax was about." I'm hoping to hear a lot more of outspoken JL as the film nears release
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Post by dirtchamber on Aug 14, 2018 12:01:28 GMT
who worked on War Stories that’s now in jail for 10 years for £200 million tax fraud? Capture should make a film about Shadows career trajectory . .
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Post by unklefloyd on Aug 14, 2018 13:46:17 GMT
who worked on War Stories that’s now in jail for 10 years for £200 million tax fraud? Capture should make a film about Shadows career trajectory . . Can someone elaborate on this please?? Who is in jail from the war stories era??
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Post by meijin28 on Aug 14, 2018 18:44:39 GMT
who worked on War Stories that’s now in jail for 10 years for £200 million tax fraud? Capture should make a film about Shadows career trajectory . . Can someone elaborate on this please?? Who is in jail from the war stories era?? I read this today and was thinking the same thing......
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Post by bm on Aug 14, 2018 20:30:08 GMT
I remember reading James talking about an investor/business partner he had around the time of War Stories. I think this guy helped him with his epic tax bill (ironically) and was funding a lot of that period for UNKLE. That’s all I can remember
Edit: With that incredible bit of insight and information full of detail and accuracy, I suspect they'll have to reshoot the movie to include me and my impact now
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Post by unklefloyd on Aug 24, 2018 5:37:08 GMT
New interview up with the director of The Man From Mo'Wax that has some pretty good insights and telling quotes. I have not seen the movie yet, so after reading this, it does sound like they covered all bases with the bonus material. www.mandy.com/news/unkle-dj-shadow-james-lavelle-mo-wax-documentary#When you’re editing something that you have such a large amount of footage for, is it really hard to make choices? "Absolutely. One of the biggest criticisms we had was there was a guy who was in Mo’wax and UNKLE, early on, called Tim Goldsworthy, who we knew about. Everyone we interviewed talked about him but it ended up being, in the grand scheme of things, quite a boring story. It just slowed down our story. That’s not to say it isn’t interesting to the fans but it just didn’t work within the narrative of the film and the pace we were trying to keep. It is going to be one of the DVD extras and available online as well."
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Post by jimmyjrg on Aug 24, 2018 10:27:55 GMT
New interview up with the director of The Man From Mo'Wax that has some pretty good insights and telling quotes. I have not seen the movie yet, so after reading this, it does sound like they covered all bases with the bonus material. www.mandy.com/news/unkle-dj-shadow-james-lavelle-mo-wax-documentary#When you’re editing something that you have such a large amount of footage for, is it really hard to make choices? "Absolutely. One of the biggest criticisms we had was there was a guy who was in Mo’wax and UNKLE, early on, called Tim Goldsworthy, who we knew about. Everyone we interviewed talked about him but it ended up being, in the grand scheme of things, quite a boring story. It just slowed down our story. That’s not to say it isn’t interesting to the fans but it just didn’t work within the narrative of the film and the pace we were trying to keep. It is going to be one of the DVD extras and available online as well." I still feel like they could have mentioned Tim in passing. The film makes you believe that Unkle is Shadows project and Lavelle is some hack who can’t do anything without Shadow. That being said I’m looking forward to the bonus features. Edit: I should add that I’m thankful this film is being made as I feel it will be a great resource for future researches, and it is also a entertaining film. From the sounds of things the pacing issues the 2016 version had are gone so that’s a plus.
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Post by jimmyjrg on Aug 26, 2018 0:38:46 GMT
I anyone going to the launch next week? Details here. Screening of the film at 830pm on Aug 30 at BFI Southbank, followed by a DJ Set by James Lavelle in the BFI Kitchen, as well as a Q&A with Lavelle and the filmmakers.There will also be a 'Pitch Black Preview' featuring 15 minutes of new Unkle songs from the next album. I really hope someone records the Q&A - or maybe they'll put it on the DVD?
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Post by dirtchamber on Aug 26, 2018 9:06:47 GMT
what times his set?
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Post by jimmyjrg on Aug 28, 2018 0:37:25 GMT
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