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Post by lament on May 21, 2009 4:42:32 GMT
I'm sure this has been brought up before, and it's kinda long, but.. are you guys in agreement with this tracklist on discogs.com? 1. If You Find Earth Boring (U.N.K.L.E Mix) 2. If You Find Earth Boring (Portishead Plays U.N.K.L.E Mix) 3. If You Find Earth Boring (Howie B. vs. U.N.K.L.E Mix) 4. Coffeehouse Conversation (Plaid Mix) 5. Sassafrass (Plaid Mix) There's 2 reasons why I don't agree with it. first reason: the way the tracklist is printed on the CD EP: 1. If You Find The Earth Boring (U.N.K.L.E. Mix) 2. Portishead Plays U.N.K.L.E. mix 3. Howie B vs. U.N.K.L.E. mix 4. Coffeehouse Converstation -Plaid Mix 5. Sassafrass-Plaid Mix this is exactly how it's printed on the CD, spacing errors and all. Track 1 looks OK - the song is called If You Find The Earth Boring and it's the U.N.K.L.E. mix, noted by the mix name in parentheses like every other remix. Track 2 doesn't have a song title, but it's the Portishead Plays U.N.K.L.E. Mix - but of what? Logic says it's a remix of the EP title, The Time Has Come. Track 3 is the Howie B vs. U.N.K.L.E. Mix.. but again, of what? Following track 2, it should be a remix of The Time Has Come. Tracks 4 and 5 are remixes of Coffeehouse Conversation and Sassafras by Plaid, although not formatted the same way as track 1. to further illustrate tracks 2 and 3 being remixes of The Time Has Come, back in 1996 my college radio was sent this CMJ Sampler: London CD (an ace CD, I might add).. www.discogs.com/Various-CMJ-Sampler-London/release/77622note track 1listed on discogs.com: UNKLE - Time Has Come (Portishead Plays UNKLE Mix) (4:22) now on this CMJ CD (which I'm looking at), tracks are listed as so: Band Track title and this one is listed as: U.N.K.L.E. vs. Portishead The Time Has Come so wtf? is discogs.com wrong? am I wrong? Here's what I think the tracklist should be: 1. If You Find The Earth Boring (U.N.K.L.E. mix) 2. Time Has Come (Portishead Plays U.N.K.L.E. mix) 3. Time Has Come (Howie B. vs. U.N.K.L.E. mix) 4. Coffeehouse Conversation (Plaid Mix) 5. Sassafras (Plaid mix) discuss..  |
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Post by MoG on May 21, 2009 5:44:51 GMT
i love you
i have no idea of the answer to your questions, but i love your passion. this is the kind of thing i used to lay awake thinking about.
i think you're right by the way.
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Post by Kee on May 21, 2009 6:04:32 GMT
the picture disk release is one of my favourites
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Post by Mo'Matt on May 21, 2009 7:03:17 GMT
The Portishead one is just a Portishead song. They use to play it live at their shows. I think they're all thematic remixes as there is very little in common musically of the 5 tracks. They fit together well as an EP though, due to their similar introspective spaced-out mood. Like the Unkle albums they're just collaborative songs. Email from Tim to Shivo: OK guys, here's the real story, straight from the horses mouth
So the original 12î was more a major force ems orchestra gig. Toshi and kudo messing around with their ems with us and howie b.
The unkle 12î is james and I taking that track further along and making it our own thing.
1.The unkle version was made with kudo, james and myself. I think charlie (attica blues) popped in for a while too. It starts off with the same cut up loop from sun raís lanquidity but then goes off in a completely new direction incorporating pierre bastien, the performance soundtrack, manfred mann and some unbelievable scratching.
2. this is listed as a remix but is actually a totally original track with no relation to the time has come. I believe that portishead used to start their sets with this track when they played live. There is a whole other story attached to this I believe.
3. this remix was done in one night with howie, james and myself. Starting with a heavily filter loop from the sun ra track it switches into a totally different animal with parts from silver apples, terry riley and of course bruce lee.
4 the plaid mixes are genuine remixes. We gave them a dat of the parts and they came back with the two totally different mixes. Rather than choose one we put both out.
-Tim Goldsworthy
[/b] If anyone wants that Sun Ra LP, it's here:
rapidshare.com/files/235499253/Sun_Ra_-__1978__-_Lanquidity.rar.html
I've also got that Manfredd Mann sample somewhere too. |
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Post by shivo on May 21, 2009 9:51:52 GMT
i should learn to scrool down more - i just spent about 15 mins searching for that mail!
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Post by deceased on May 21, 2009 12:14:55 GMT
Wow, i've been waiting for this to be cleared up for years...I just kind of assumed they were all Time Has Come Remixes...
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Post by lament on May 21, 2009 16:07:32 GMT
ok so as I understand Tim's email.. with the exception of 2, the Time Has Come EP involved taking a Sun Ra track and creating a soundscape from it.
I understand tracks 1 and 2, but Tim says track 3 is a remix with elements "from the sun ra track" just like track 1. so that would mean it's a remix of track 1, making it If You Find The Earth Boring (Howie B. vs. U.N.K.L.E. Mix), right?
And with 4 and 5, these are still interpretations of the Sun Ra track, but the songs have names.. and they're both remixed by Plaid.
So discogs.com is right, with the exception of track 2, making it something like:
1. If You Find The Earth Boring (U.N.K.L.E Mix)
2. Portishead Plays U.N.K.L.E
3. If You Find The Earth Boring (Howie B. vs. U.N.K.L.E Mix)
4. Coffeehouse Conversation (Plaid Mix)
5. Sassafrass (Plaid Mix)
agreed?
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Post by lament on May 21, 2009 16:08:24 GMT
i love you i have no idea of the answer to your questions, but i love your passion. this is the kind of thing i used to lay awake thinking about. i think you're right by the way. I've always had the MP3s of this release, and I just got the original CD last week, which is how this all came up. |
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Post by evil:cat on May 22, 2009 17:19:00 GMT
Wouldn't that make it: 1. U.N.K.L.E - If You Find The Earth Boring (U.N.K.L.E Mix) 2. Portishead - Portishead Plays U.N.K.L.E 3. Howie B vs. UNKLE - If You Find The Earth Boring 4. U.N.K.L.E. - If You Find The Earth Boring (Plaid 'Coffeehouse Conversation' Mix) 5. U.N.K.L.E. - If You Find The Earth Boring (Plaid 'Sassafrass' Mix) and the original would therefore be: Major Force EMS Orchestra - The Time Has Come (U.N.K.L.E. vs Major Force EMS Orchestra Mix) ... which makes things a whole lot more confusing! In the early days, U.N.K.L.E. was a production team, not a group. The Anafey mix was done by Will Bankhead on behalf of U.N.K.L.E. which shows how carefully guarded the name was back then. Definitely no James screaming 'I'm Unkle!' down the phone I applaud your anal obsessiveness (that came out wrong), but the way I see it is the original Time Has Come (EMS), If You FInd The Earth Boring (UNKLE) and the Howie B version are three original UNKLE tracks based on the same samples. The Portishead is a remix - by the same logic that those Aphex remixes which involved Rich pulling any old tape off the shelf and saying it was a remix - and the two Plaid versions most definitely are remixes. I guess if TTHC (EMS), IYFTEB (UNKLE) and IYFTEB (Howie B) are based off the same samples, they could be classed as remixes... If we take the naming convention of the first release being the true name, then all versions are remixes of TTHC, and it just happens that some of them are 'named' remixes, which would be no different to all those remixes of Heaven on Remix Stories where they names each remix also. Now I'm confusing myself. They're all remixes of The Time Has Come, but the U.N.K.L.E. one has a separate name, just like 'Have You Passed Through This Night' is a remix of 'Eye For An Eye.' There! One day I'm building that UNKLE Chronology web site, I promise... |
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Post by shivo on May 22, 2009 17:32:17 GMT
One day I'm building that UNKLE Chronology web site, I promise... They wont buy that, I've been feeding them that line for years |
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Post by evil:cat on May 22, 2009 17:36:15 GMT
It might happen! Just like a deluxe version of Psyence Fiction or a compilation of pre-PF tracks!
I can hope...
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Post by lament on May 29, 2009 6:35:21 GMT
the Build & Destroy compilation lists the tracks as...
CD1
3. U.N.K.L.E. - The Time Has Come (Portishead Plays Unkle mix)
6. U.N.K.L.E. - The Time Has Come - If You Find The Earth Boring (UNKLE MIX)
CD2
6. U.N.K.L.E. - The Time Has Come (Howie B vs Unkle Mix)
hmm..
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Post by joethelion on Sept 1, 2017 20:15:23 GMT
just bringing up this old topic again, as I only just now noticed something...
On the "The Time Has Come EP" - the first track, "If You Find The Earth Boring (U.N.K.L.E Mix)" lasts for 14:00
whereas on "Headz : A Soundtrack Of Experimental Beathead Jams" - the song, "The Time Has Come" is 7:55
and "The Time Has Come" is basically just the first half of "If You Find the Earth Boring" (without Josh's intro)
...I had a point to this, seriously
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Post by Dale Cooper on Sept 1, 2017 20:43:59 GMT
So happy to read this thread again just bringing up this old topic again, as I only just now noticed something... On the "The Time Has Come EP" - the first track, "If You Find The Earth Boring (U.N.K.L.E Mix)" lasts for 14:00 whereas on "Headz : A Soundtrack Of Experimental Beathead Jams" - the song, "The Time Has Come" is 7:55 and "The Time Has Come" is basically just the first half of "If You Find the Earth Boring" (without Josh's intro) ...I had a point to this, seriously The version on Headz is the original version, first released as "U.N.K.L.E vs Major Force EMS Orchestra" on the 4th Mo' Wax vs Major Force sister label 12" ( MWMFW001). AFAIK it's the very first tune by UNKLE that is not a remix of someone else. The one on the EP is actually a remix, and although the first part of that one is 95% similar to the OG version, there are some differences. |
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Post by NightsTemper on Sept 1, 2017 21:17:25 GMT
Does anyone have these as digital tracks that I could 'borrow'? 😜
Seem to be missing from my iTunes library!
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